Hacked emails show then-NATO Commander Gen. Philip Breedlove actively conspiring behind President Obama’s back to promote conflict with Russia over Ukraine. The tail wags the dog, in another glance at the deep state.
Ron Paul: Hello everybody, thank you for tuning in to The Liberty Report. With me today is Daniel McAdams, Daniel, welcome to the show today.
Daniel McAdams: Good morning, Dr. Paul.
Ron Paul: We’re going to visit today a little bit about what went on a few years ago when we talked a lot about Yanukovych getting thrown out of his presidency as an elected leader in Ukraine. We talked back then about Victoria Nuland and also about Pyatt, the ambassador, and how they were conspiring. Evidently, there was a lot more going on than that. But, right before we get to that, I want to mention a thing. And this is an important week for NATO, NATO is having a big meeting. But I saw today that Afghanistan is going to go to this NATO meeting, and they have a little minor request because they are a stable country now and it’s unified and everything is settled. So that government, which is purely a democratic elected government, has nothing to do with our empire.
But they’re making a request to the United States and to NATO for five billion dollars a year for five years, just casually, they’re coming there and saying, “Hey, we’re your guy, so take care of us …”
Daniel McAdams: “… have your checkbook ready.”
Ron Paul: Also this week NATO is announcing that they’re going live with the missiles in Poland and other different places, which is part of the same problem. But, this week, just a couple of days ago, we had the release of some tapes and some emails, and it had to do with a very prominent general in NATO, Philip Breedlove, and evidently, he was working behind the scenes. We talked about Nuland and Pyatt, but here this NATO commander at the time was pushing very, very hard, and he was engaged with other people. And how they were going to change this Obama who was much too restrained … of course, we think he is not restrained enough. They wanted to change this attitude, they were up against the wall with this terrible president, because the president has said, “Do not get me involved in a war”. Specifically, he’s talking about Russia, so there was a conflict.
So this general was plotting behind the scenes, here’s the headline from Press TV, “General plotted against Obama on Russia”. This is exactly what they were doing and trying to organize, they were even talking about how they’re going to get the media involved and how they’re going to do this. So, do you think it’s par for the course, or is this a little bit worse than par for the course?
Daniel McAdams: It’s the case like the movie “Wag the Dog”, it’s incredible because, first of all, Breedlove is a supreme allied commander of Europe, he’s a top NATO general, he’s also a four-star U.S. general in the U.S. Air Force. He was not happy, as you pointed out, with President Obama’s policy towards Russia, which was not as confrontational as he would like, and so he proceeded to use all back channels. I would say it was a full-court press using all back channels possible to put pressure, including putting pressure on U.S. public opinion about what was happening in Russia and Ukraine. And this was directly going behind the back of his commander in chief. It’s interesting, though, this happened four days ago or so, The Intercept was the first to run with an article about it, and it was picked by a few other sources, and then it just sort of fell off the face of the earth.
Ron Paul: This whole idea of the propaganda machine … they did that in the Persian Gulf war and leading up to the Iraq war. Once again, some pictures were shown with this procedure of overthrowing Yanukovych, and they were using old pictures of Russian tanks, saying, “The Russians were there and they’re ready to invade”. So here they were actually literally saying … I think it was Wesley Clark, Breedlove went to Wesley Clark for advice, who said, “You got to get the lobbyist in there, pay them”, and that’s exactly what they did, it was atrocious how viciously they used the media back in the Persian Gulf War. This is what generals do, they use all tools and go ahead and lie and use the media and the media never checks whether they are part of the conspiracy.
But this is one conspiracy that is a truthful conspiracy, this one is based on fact. We have the evidence, and, obviously, Nuland and Pyatt wouldn’t have objected to Breedlove, and so it is a NATO operation, and that’s why I object so much to NATO dictating our foreign policy. This, to me, is just another example of how our foreign policy backfires on us and how it doesn’t achieve anything, and it turns out that it’s more anti-Russia than anything else. I think Breedlove literally said, “We ought to ditch this diplomacy stuff, we shouldn’t be talking to these people”.
Daniel McAdams: I think it’s a fascinating look behind the scenes on how policy gets created, and how it gets sold. As you point out, when Breedlove went to Wesley Clark saying, “How can I rank this thing up, how can I jack this thing up and get the conflict started?”, he said, “Well, you got to tell the Ukrainians i.e. the people that we put in office, to hire a first rate PR firm in the beltway, and have them start pushing out the information warfare”. But what’s interesting when you think about information warfare, that was directed against us, against Americans. So he’s telling a NATO general, hire a top PR firm, that’s tens of thousands of dollars a month, to lie to the American people.
And you point out, too, the fake pictures, the fake testimony; all these things are made up. The people that are supposed to be keeping us safe, are at war with us. Remember the time when we challenged some of these things: “These Russian tanks, where are they, show us the proof?” He said a thousand Russian tanks were in Ukraine, show us the pictures. We never saw them. But when we question them, especially when your institute questions it, they say, “Oh, you’re just Putin lovers, you’re just in the pay of the Kremlin.” Well, it turns out we were right.
Ron Paul: Yes, but the whole thing is, they believe in intervention. There are different degrees of it, but once you start doing a little bit, then you have this argument within the interventionist about what to do. The people who were on our side back then, remember they talked about a vote in the Congress and said, “Well, that’s old fashioned”. Finally, the people spoke out at the time, but then it didn’t matter, they went ahead and did all the bombing, and there was escalation anyway when it came to Syria.
Daniel McAdams: Here’s the other thing that’s interesting, and this is the role of the think tanks, and it’s critical. The PR firms are important, but the think tanks are so important, too, because that’s where the experts are. There was an email of Breedlove to the Atlantic Council, and the Atlantic Council sells itself as an objective think tank with great experts, while, in fact, it is paid by NATO i.e. it’s paid by the American tax payer to propagandize in favor of war. And here’s what Breedlove wrote to The Atlantic Council when he was trying to push this, he said, “I think the President sees us as a threat to be minimized”. ‘Us’ meaning all these people that are supposedly working for the American people, but are actually pushing war.
Ron Paul: It is an important point, because you’re saying, “We are the victim of the illegal biased propaganda by our own government that the people pay for to make sure that we listen to all these lies which is pretty successful. It’s something I’ve argued all the time about how we have to beat the propaganda about what’s going on. But then, when you think about making us safe, there was a lot of terror out there and a lot of people getting killed. Just remember, there were almost a hundred people killed in the last fifteen years by terrorists in this country. And yet, that’s the dominant theme, even on the polling people are most concerned about being attacked by a terrorist, and I could point out a few other things. So there’s a fear out there that there are some bad people out there, and guess what, our liberties get undermined.
Not only are we attacked by the false propaganda and the lies that we pay for, when it comes to it, we are the ones who lose our liberties, whether it’s our 2nd Amendment right or 4th Amendment right, whether we have to just be on lists and we’re harassed and government becomes more private. And all of a sudden you find that the last thing the Justice Department is in the business of is providing justice for anybody. So this is a real tragedy, and I hope the American people wake up to this and start listening to when they say, “Oh no, they’re bad people, and what we need to do is bomb them more”. Not too long ago it was on Orlando, people were concerned, they said, “Let’s go bomb them some more”, without even thinking. The last thing they want to think is maybe our policies have something to do with this, and this, to me, is the real tragedy that they don’t think in those terms.
Daniel McAdams: It’s interesting you mentioned terrorism and the fear of terrorism, but this just underscores the duplicity of someone like General Breedlove. He recognized this and said in one of his emails, “In this age where everyone seems to be worried about ISIS, we got to figure out a way to get our issue on the front burner, we got to get some attention with this Russia-Ukraine thing”. It’s clearly a manipulation of public opinion.
Ron Paul: Our obvious frustration is that they’re debating this, and Obama is the so called peacekeeper, and yet, here he is. He was participating in the overthrow of Yanukovych, and he gets involved and he’s given us all this chaos since 2011 in Syria. And yet, he represents the least militant of them all. But I think this also makes the point that people undermine and stab each other in the back and they’ll do it to the president, too, if he’s slightly off on what they believe in. Neo-conservatives are a powerful bunch of people, and they will resort to anything that they can think of.
Daniel McAdams: And the propaganda works, you remember this, too, at the time of the Iraq war. If you were opposed to the Iraq war, it meant that you were in love with Saddam Hussein and you thought he was great. It was the same thing with Gadaffi, “Oh, you love Gadaffi”. You remember how you were pilloried in the media that you were just Putin’s lapdog and all this. It’s effective, though.
Ron Paul: I still believe truth wins out in the end, remember how Jimmy Duncan said it was his toughest vote to stay out of the Iraq war, and he was in a military district and they gave him a lot of grief, but now he says it was his best vote ever. But it’s rough to get by that, sometimes you lose your office because of that. But, unfortunately, every once in a while we do hear that other people lose their office when they’re on the other side of our issue, that they’re too much involved in war. I work on the assumption that most people really want peace, and they need a lot of propaganda, a lot of lies, and a lot of intimidation and fear mongering to get people so rattled up, that they’re willing to go and do dumb things that will lead to war. That, of course, has been our foreign policy for a long time.
Daniel McAdams: Well, let’s just hope that Breedlove doesn’t graduate from NATO with some high paying job, let’s hope he has a little bit of shame heaped on to him, shame that he deserves.
Ron Paul: He probably was ready for retirement, but it would make me feel a little bit better if the President said, “Enough of that, you’re defying the boss. I said ‘don’t do that’, and yet he went and did that anyway”. I don’t know whether he probably was ready for retirement, but what I want to retire is the ideology of the neo-conservative who believes that we have a mission, and it’s a humanitarian mission of spreading American exceptionalism and doing all these good things for the world. At the same time, what they’re involved in is militarism for all kinds of nefarious reasons to sell weapons and whatever. Even with Obama complaining about what was going on there, he’s sending hundreds of millions of dollars of non-lethal weapons to the government that we installed.
Sometimes, the Left, who are anti-war, will buy into that: “We won’t send them weapons and we’ll vote against the war, but we’ll just send money to our favorite thug, and then they’ll pass it out and feed the poor”, and for some reason, it just doesn’t work out very well.
Daniel McAdams: That’s true.
Ron Paul: I want to thank everybody for tuning in today to The Liberty Report. Obviously, there will be a lot more news on what’s going on this week dealing with NATO, and we’ll be talking about it some more. But, as far as I’m concerned, we don’t need NATO, NATO is not a friend of peace. NATO is something that, if we had listened to Robert Taft, we would never have joined NATO. He would really, really be upset. Even if those who were converted into supporting NATO back then when they had a Soviet empire, that’s a different story, they don’t exists. And, all of a sudden, they try to concoct the same thing that one of the arguments of Breedlove is, “They are an existential threat, it’s the Russians, they’re at fault”.
Nobody says, maybe the weapons we’re putting on their borders and antagonizing people and changing leadership around their country, maybe they have a little bit of justification, and they just haven’t dreamed up the problems that they face. But, nevertheless, this is going to go on for a while, I know that Russia is not a perfect nation, there are no perfect nations out there, but the only moral responsibility that we have right now where we can deal with it, is our own government. The government is supposed to be taking care of us, and we should point it out. I do work on the assumption that a patriotic person is one willing to criticize one’s own government when they’re doing the wrong thing. I think we’re doing the wrong thing when it comes to our monetary policy, with the Federal Reserve, and we’re doing the wrong thing when it comes to our interventionist foreign policy overseas.
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