Female News Anchor: Well, hello to you. In 2012 Dr. Ron Paul scared the Republican establishment so badly, they made a new rule entirely to stop candidates just like him from making it to the convention floor. It’s rule 40b. Previously, candidates needed only five states to be on the nominating ballot at the national convention, but now, the candidates need 8 states with a majority of delegates. It was designed to make sure Ron Paul supporters didn’t upstage Mitt Romney on national television. But now, it’s entrenching Donald Trump. It could be problematic for Republicans, and Dr Ron Paul is here tonight to talk about it, he’s the former Texas congressman and host of The Ron Paul Liberty Report. Welcome back, Dr. Paul.
Ron Paul: Thank you, Kennedy, it’s good to be with you.
Female News Anchor: Thank you, so let’s talk about rule 40b, how did you feel about it back in 2012?
Ron Paul: Well, I was thinking back then that they scare easily, because I didn’t see myself as a tremendous threat. But we had the […] on our side and we were getting the delegates, and we should have had a chance to be nominated and have a speech, but they got intimidated, so that’s how terrified they get with issues. Today they’re in a box because of that very rule that was written to exclude me from even having a little bit of influence on that, which hopefully could have done more. Now they’re really in a box because they don’t have an easy answer because if they exclude Donald Trump now, they’re going to be in trouble, but if they allow him to happen, they think they can’t control him. But they’ve created their own problem, and I guess you can’t feel too sorry for them.
Female News Anchor: No, and these are some of the unintended consequences we talked about when we discussed libertarianism and freedom and the idea that maybe you should back off with this type of regulation, because you don’t know where it’s going to rear its ugly head, and it’s certainly getting ugly on the Republican side. Is there something that feels vindicated for you, because I know a lot of your supporters in 2012, I remember being at that convention, and they were so upset, they were so passionate of those delegates who were ready to do battle for you, and they felt so thwarted by the Republican Party. Is this vindication for you and your supporters?
Ron Paul: Well, in many ways, it is. But I think it really shows the shortcomings of the party leadership and how easily they’re intimidated and they don’t want to have a set of rules. The Republicans have control over the rules and they change them on their whims, and the only thing that can counteract this is the full force of the voters themselves. Which is very difficult, because the establishment that controls the party, control the rules. Likewise, the people are angry with the Democrats, too, they have these super delegates, so you can do very well over there, and they’ll say, “Oh, we have the super delegates in case the race is closed, and we can assign them”, so the establishment always wins. And what happens if you happen to have a libertarian belief and you think, “You know, Republicans aren’t a whole lot different than the Democrats, so who really gets the choice?”
Female News Anchor: Yes, we can be on the road to two contested conventions, we thought it was just all about Donald Trump, and now Bernie Sanders is saying the same thing. Well, let’s get back to Donald Trump, because in a recent memo, he explained just how he would go about making a 2,000 mile long border wall, and compel Mexico to pay for it. He’s been making that promise for a while, he said he would threaten to cut of money transfers from Mexican immigrants in the U.S. to their families in Mexico unless that country makes a onetime payment of 5 to 10 billion dollars to build that wall. Does that plan stand up to logic, Dr. Paul, economics or sobriety, what do you think?
Ron Paul: I think it sounds like theft, I think it sounds like something illegal, it sounds like it’s immoral. There’s 24 billion dollars that are transferred to Mexico through these remittances, and he said he’s going to get 5 or 6 billion dollars or whatever is necessary. The costs always go up, so maybe he’s going to take it all. It does great harm to those companies that transfer this money, because they’ve being doing this for a long time. But this whole idea of attacking remittances and turning that into a political positive when it’s such a negative thing. I always thought of the remittances as the best way to have foreign aid. Let people come, we need workers, because our people won’t pick the crops, and then they take their money back and then the populist says, “Oh, they have the money, they took it, they stole it from us”.
But what are they going to do with it, they have to buy American goods, that’s how they get money to buy our stuff. The economics of this is just so bizarre to think that they can do it. But a lot of people are going to buy into it and say, “Oh yes, that’s the way to pay it, we’re not going to be taxed”. But, believe me, we’re always being taxed, one way or the other.
Female News Anchor: Of course, and if these people are set up in the e-verify system, and a lot of them are, and they are buying things and they do pay sales taxes and fuel taxes and other things like that, it also gives them an emotional investment in Mexico. If you cut that off, what are the people going to do who are now starving in Mexico because they’re not receiving remittances. They’re going to come to the United States. If you think we have an immigration problem now, stop remittances, and you’ll see how many more people are crossing the border, because they’re going to find that money. Thank you very much, Dr. Paul.
Ron Paul: And they’re going to be very angry, and we have to remember where he’s getting this authority from. He’s getting it from PATRIOT Act, that sounds libertarian, too. There’s a clause in the PATRIOT Act that he’s claiming he can use as the authority. I think he’s completely wrong on that.
Female News Anchor: Well, thank you very much, and I agree with you there.