The recent undercover video showing a Planned Parenthood official negotiating for the sale of the organs of aborted babies has caused a firestorm of outrage. But both political parties will use this scandal for political gain. Ron Paul remembers from Congress the bipartisan deal allowing US funding of abortions worldwide. And if “black lives matter” — which they do — why is the holocaust of 60 million black abortions not being discussed?
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Ron Paul: Hello everybody and thank you for tuning in to the Liberty Report. With me today is Daniel McAdams. Daniel, good to have you with us today.
Daniel McAdams: Good morning, Dr. Paul.
Ron Paul: Good. I’d like to talk a little bit today about what a lot of people are talking about. It is this grotesque scandal going on with Planned Parenthood. I never think of them as planning parenthood. They are planning other things, they are planning how not to become parents. Many people are just seeing the video and it’s been on TV a whole lot. How bad it really has gotten.
There’s two issues here. One is the principle of abortion and the right to life and whether the fetus is human and whether killing the fetus is an act of violence and how do you handle this. That’s one issue, but another issue is who pays for this. I’ve argued that, I think the far left, the pro-abortion people are going to make a grand mistake in this, this might represent a grand mistake and that is forcing people who devoutly believe that taking this life is equivalent to killing a human being. They claim that taxpayers ought to pay for it. We hear that the taxpayers pay over a half a billion dollars to Planned Parenthood to do this. We don’t know a whole lot about that; I think there’s been some stories in the paper about it, it’s even difficult to find how this money is being spent.
Daniel McAdams: Yeah, that’s true. Mary Hansen, who writes for The Federalist, she was the first, when this latest scandal broke, which is, as you know, the selling the body parts, the organs of these unborn children. She broke the story of Federal funding. Obviously, she sent a freedom of information request to the government. As you know, these things can take years to process, so she requested an expedited process, because the issue is in the news right now, everyone’s talking about it. Her request was denied for expedited for of processing and here’s their reasoning. This is Health and Human Services; they said ‘This is not a breaking story of general public interest.’
Ron Paul: They only wish. Obviously this is a big story. Everybody is for abortion, we put them into one category of being leftists. There are some people who have a humanitarian instinct and they’re doing well and they might not even be for the funding and all of a sudden this comes up, so this might dampen enthusiasm, because there’s moves already in the Congress to try to cut back. That’s only part of it, because I think that we have to look at the big picture and in the big picture is that we have the situation we have today, even the funding, because of two political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats. I mean, when Republicans were in charge, they had the House, the Senate and the Presidency; they did nothing to cut back on this. I recall and I’m sure you do too when I was in Congress, there was funding in our foreign aid packages which would go to doing abortions. The conservative Republicans had an agreement with the left ‘Will you grant us this Mexico language and we’ll say that none of this money can be spent for abortion, only for birth-control.’ The Republicans would go along with this and everyone would be happy. The Republicans were against abortion, they stopped the funding and the left got their money.
Daniel McAdams: Then you ruined the Party, because you’ve said all the money is fungible. You give in for this and you freeze money for that.
Ron Paul: I wanted to make that point that you have to take in the whole picture, you have to deny all funding, because of that point you make it. It’s fungible. They say “yeah they spend more money on birth-control pills, you have more money left to do the abortion.’ The principle is so bad. I mean people can have principles to stand against abortion, that’s one thing, but they should have a principle stand ‘Why are governments involved in this and taking money from one group and forcing them to pay for this.’ Republicans tend to work together; you take the issue of welfare itself. Why do we have it ‘Oh, it’s all the Democrats.’ Sure, ‘the Republicans don’t vote for any welfare.’ They vote for welfare for poor and a lot of the welfare for the rich. It’s always this competition going on. I remember when I tried to cut that funding out. The people who became enraged were the pro-life Republicans, because they had a deal set and I was messing up their deal. We were going to get the credit for stopping money being spent on abortions and at the same time the Democrats would get the money. Democrats didn’t care; they knew they were going to get the money. It was so bad that some of the top leaders in the Right to Life movement in Congress were furious with me, one even would not vote for, he just ducked the vote, because he didn’t want to be seen voting against this funding. That is pure hypocrisy.
Daniel McAdams: Yeah, I remember when you raised your hand and you offered to cut all the funding and I know you won’t say it, but it was Chris Smith and Henry Hyde, great champions of the pro-life movement. I remember the fury that rose in the room when you spoiled the Party.
Ron Paul: Yes and unfortunately it continues this way in Washington. The other issue that comes up has to do with who gets aborted. Some people say only poor people get aborted. That’s not true at all. Is it only unmarried girls? They get a lot of married people. If you go by race, guess what, blacks get the most abortions. One of the stories that I have told that really got my attention was in 1973 when I gave my first political speech. It had to do, of all things, with Federal Reserve and money. We had just gone through this episode of getting off the gold standard and putting on wage and price controls and it was chaotic. High inflation and high unemployment rate.
I gave this speech in a Republican function and a question came up about abortion and I said, because Roe versus Wade came out in 1973, that same particular year, and I took my position and I believe it was human life and to kill a human life is an act of aggression and I didn’t support it. Afterwards, this person didn’t say this in public, but it was a middle-aged Republican businessman, a typical Republican. He came over and he said ‘Ron, let me tell you, this is good,’ he says ‘because this will mean that the blacks will be aborted.’ I thought ‘Holy man’ and this was from a conservative Republican and I dismissed that, that’s not conceivable, but when you look at these statistics, 16 million blacks have been aborted since 1973 and all done in the name of humanitarianism and goodness and helping people.
Daniel McAdams: This horrific sentiment that this gentleman expressed to you is not that different from the Founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, who was a Eugenicist, she believed that non-whites need to be killed, that people who are deformed need to be killed. Really, what he was saying was consistent with the founders of Planned Parenthood. On the blacks, it is interesting I was looking at Pat Buchanan today, he makes a very good point ‘The blacks matter movement is expressing legitimate concern about the number of violent confrontations that young black men are having with the police officers. We know how those are turning out. He points out that the number of black man and boys killed by police officers every year is less than one tenth of one percent of the number of blacks that are killed in the womb every year.
Ron Paul: When you talk about the group that supports the abortion program, they are generally described as progressive. I sort of like the word progressive, I’d like to think of myself as being progressive in ideas, but that’s not what they think. This is so regressive, using violence like this. They were more advanced when Hippocrates lived and thought that doctors shouldn’t be involved in this, but now doctors are involved in all kinds of things from torture, to euthanasia and abortion. This film that we looked at is just the epitome of a physician talking like this.
Then, there’s the other thing that Republicans, in spite of their inconsistencies that we already pointed out, there’s many that are very consistent. They believe sincerely in pro-life position, but they just as sincerely believe that these young people, men and women now, should join the military, join the forces, defend liberty. Not only for defending our country, but for preemptive war, you go six thousand miles away and get involved in this and they depend on it and they see no inconsistencies. I think a pro-life position is you ask to protect the best you can the rights of the unborn and also when they’re older and some people put out statistics that more blacks, percentage-wise, die in war as well as in crimes.
Daniel McAdams: That is a good hypocrisy that the left often points out that the pro-life Christian right-wing people that they are pro-life until the kid is 18 and they send him off. You spent a long career in medicine and you were intimately involved in this issue for number of years and you even wrote a book about it. You shared I know with me and so many others some of your earlier experiences with this.
Ron Paul: Yes, I often mentioned that when I was in medical school from ’57 to ’61, finished college. By the time I got out of medical school in ’61 I had not heard the word abortion in my medical career. They weren’t talking about it, negative or positive, it was just a non-issue. By 1968, after the revolution of the 60s, I claimed the law doesn’t cause the abortions; the people’s morality changed the abortions. The solutions come from the people, not the law.
By 1968 I was in the residency and they were doing abortions and it bothered me, because one time I walked in an operating room and they were doing, because we would do that to observe surgeries, they were doing a C-section, but it was on a small baby and they lifted the baby out, a couple of pounds and the baby cried and whimpered a little bit and they put it in a bucket and it lasted for five-ten minutes. Everybody in the room sort of pretended that it didn’t exist and that is when I decided that I had to resolve this in my mind, so I went and talked to the professor who was supportive of this and he said ‘well there is some very, very bad abnormalities and just as well abort them, don’t worry about it later on.’
That’s what his argument was and I said ‘sometimes you can’t tell for sure, you have to wait until birth.’ At that time we didn’t have great ultrasound and he said ‘Yeah, that’s true, we could wait until birth, but then at birth if you can tell that this child was grossly deformed then you should kill the child that is born.’ I said ‘Wow.’ I followed up with my concern “Yeah, but we don’t know about some of these diseases for years.’ He said ‘One of the circumstances is that maybe a year is the cutoff point.’ You can imagine with that attitude existing in the 60s, here we have people selling body parts. It’s pretty bad as far as I’m concerned.
I think this issue is going to be around for a while, hopefully it resolves, I hope we get more information and I hope we get more people look at this based on principle and think more consciously about the right to life. Truly there is justification to saying an unborn has rights. I as a physician, if I harmed the fetus, I can be sued rightfully so. If you’re in an automobile accident and the woman loses her child and aborts, that child is recognized as a living human being. If the man dies and the woman has the child, inheritance rights are established at conception, so there is a lot of legal arguments that it is truly alive human being and if it is, the taking of that life is an act of aggression.
There are always going to be difficult situations, because they want to turn the argument in to the day after conception to the day before birth. The pro-abortionists never want to think about it a week or two or a month or two before birth. It’s always something vague. It’s not so vague now, when we look at this story, where they want to gently do the abortions to preserve the tissue and sell it so they can get their fancy automobiles and these are physicians talking. It is a moral crisis. This will not be solved by passing a law. Right now, the law should be involved and we certainly ought to defund all of this type of money that goes to the destruction of life. Respect for all life is what we need if we want to live in a free society. We cannot have respect for liberty if we don’t have respect for life.
I want to thank everybody for tuning in today to the Liberty Report and come back soon.
This video was published by the Ron Paul Institute.